Scraping noise from DS front wheel.

I have been doing a routine service on a DS in the workshop today and found that it had a worn inner track rod joint on the right side. When I went around to the left side and turned the wheel full lock to access the grease nipples, I noticed a scraping sound when rotating the wheel. Upon investigation I found that the track rod was scraping on the inner edge of the wheel rim and had been for some time judging by the wear mark and shaved down balance weights! Closer examination revealed that at some point in the past, someone wasn’t being too observant and had fitted a right side track rod to the left side of the car. This meant that the bend in the rod to provide clearance for the wheel rim on full lock was going the wrong way and giving less clearance, hence the scraping noise. Strangely, the vehicle owner didn’t notice it, or if he did made no mention of it.
By chance, although it was fitted to the wrong side, the track rod was in perfect condition, so I used it to replace the worn out one on the right side and fitted a new correct item to the left.
There is always something amusing to be found in a classic Citroen garage!


D Model Factory Workshop Manuals (1974 Edition)

The original factory D Model workshop manuals (1974 edition) can be downloaded for free by clicking on the links below.

Volume 1 (Characteristics, Adjustments and Checks)

Volume 2 (Removal and Fitting, Reconditioning, Electrical, Bodywork)


Gorilla Snot

We recently had a Citroen DS23 in the workshop for a number of jobs, one of which involved checking the oil filter bits were all intact as the previous service had been carried out by a local garage, rather than a specialist.

Luckily the oil filter bits were all present and correct, but when I was cleaning the bits to put back in, I discovered something very worrying. The gauze pre-filter that the oil passes through before entering the paper filter was almost completely blocked up with stringy, rubbery bits.

It turns out that when the garage fitted the new filter they had a problem with the cover plate gasket leaking. Their solution was to remove the plate and gasket and apply excessive amounts of “gorilla snot”, otherwise known as silicone sealer, RTV, instant gasket etc. to both sides of the gasket and refit. This stopped the leak all right but when they did up the plate, the excess sealant squeezed out of the joint. What squeezed out to the outside they would have wiped away, but what happens to the stuff that squeezes out into the engine? In use it breaks off and is carried around in the oil until it lodges somewhere, usually restricting or blocking the oil flow, which is what happened here. This is why this type of sealer should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER be used on an engine unless the engine has been specifically designed for it. Many modern engines have a groove which you put this type of sealant into rather than using a gasket, but our classic engines are not like this.

Any good automotive engineer will tell you this and I do not even have any of this sealant in the workshop. It’s not necessary and it is dangerous when misused.

Leaks from the oil filter cover plate are usually caused by distortion of the plate around the bolt holes. When it is tightened up the bolts pull the part of the plate by the holes closer to the sump. When the plate is off, it should be placed on a solid flat surface and tapped back flat with a medium sized hammer. Once clean and flat, a minimal amount of your chosen gasket sealant (not silicone!!!!) should be applied to the plate and the gasket pressed into place. We prefer using a good quality non-setting gasket sealant like Hylomar Universal Blue, and even then, very sparingly. Make sure the sump face is clean and dry, all traces of old gaskets or sealant having been removed, then smear grease on the face of the gasket that sits against the sump and bolt it on. Do not over tighten the bolts which all should have shake proof washers fitted.

Doing it this way, I’ve never had a sump plate leak and it is easy to disassemble the joint next time you need to change the filter. Using Gorilla Snot is not necessary and is likely to wreck your engine if misused! You have been warned…..

 

 


Removing a Citroen DS or ID window winder handle

Between the window winder handle and the door card is a plastic ring and behind the door card, against the door,  there should be a spring which pushes the door card and plastic ring out against the handle.
To remove the handle you must push the plastic ring and door card back against the door as much as you can. This will reveal the pin which holds the handle on. There are holes in the handle at 90 degrees from each other to facilitate fitting in different positions so check which hole the pin is through and push it out with a small screw driver, drill bit or welding rod, as I do. It isn’t tapered so should come out either way and the handle will then be free.


RHD Citroen DS20 Safari For Sale – exceptional condition

I have just put the following ad up in the showroom on our website. To contact the vendor, please visit the ad on our website for his contact details.
1973 Citroen DS20 Safari in exceptional condition. (We have inspected this car ourselves and can vouch for this. It is in truly exceptional condition. – Citroen Classics)  It has covered 74k miles and has a 4 speed manual gearbox. One
previous owner before me Atol Machan (an aerospace engineer) who was well
known to the Citroen Car Club and the car was a `concours d`elegance` winner a number of
times. It was kept in dry storage for a number of years and is still completely
original and unrestored. 5 new Vrederstein tyres, a starter motor and fuel pump saw it come back to life and pass its mot. It has driven
fabulously throughout the summer and the only know faults are that the fuel
gauge doesn’t work and the fuel filter can block up after some use. The
seats are separating in places on the rear squabs but completely intact. The
only non-original item is a Paddy Hopkirk soundproofing kit.
I have removed the tow bar for aesthetic reasons and put the folding seats
back in the boot. There is a small panel missing in the boot and the
replacement I have is a bit rusty unlike the rest of the car! The photos are
pre-tow bar removal and with the original holiday stickers on the boot which
after a lot of thought I removed (I still have some that were not put on and
could be!), plus the number plates are now black and silver. See photo with
the Corvette (also for sale!) More photos available on request.
I really think this car is a `keeper` but I feel more like a custodian of a museum piece than a relaxed driver but that’s just me!  Loads of spares, original purchase reciept, log book, brochures, and masses of history as well as original and comprehensive (beautiful) Citroen workshop manuals.

1965 Citroen H Van For Sale

I received the following from David Mitchell today, which may be of interest.

 

I have a 1965 Citroen H van that was acquired in 2004 after 13 years of patiently waiting for our neighbour in France to sell it to us. A painter and decorator’s van throughout its life, the retirement of M. Legros led to our completing a deal struck in 1991. Driven over the Channel to the UK, reregistered and sent more or less to a health spa the H (called Lulu, by my wife and kids) was stripped down to bare metal and rebuilt (with new panels where necessary), given a professional external paint job by David Royle & Co of Staindrop, County Durham and has been used as a dry-weather toy and mountain bike transporter for family outings.

Externally in great shape after its rebuilding, the inside remains with its original silver finish, albeit complemented by new seats in the front and a rear-facing bench seat for three behind in the rear storage area. The vehicle has a new exhaust system, starts first time, every time and is garaged when not out getting a tan!

As our family is growing up and out of the home (and garage) and we have a Traction promised to us the H is sadly up for sale.

There is a full file of documents relating to its rebuild and even its original operator’s conversion manual, should anyone wish to convert it to a market stall vehicle to sell, bread, cheese, fruits and vegetables.

Click Here to email the vendor, David, if you are interested in purchasing one of the finest examples I’ve seen recently.

The Story of Lulu:

Lulu the H van

Lulu was first viewed sitting in an alley in the picturesque town of Josselin, Brittany in 1990.
A daily work-horse for Legros Peinture, Lulu had by then amassed twenty five years of solid service
as a painter and decorator‟s primary means of transport.
With Mr Legros‟ wife being the midwife who attended the birth of my eldest in Auray‟s General Hospital,
I felt sufficient familiarity with the family to ask Mr. Legros if I could have a quick spin as a passenger in his Citroën H.
“Bien sûr!” was the riposte; and, after fifteen minutes touring Josselin‟s country lanes, I felt emboldened to request
that he think of me if he ever decided to trade Lulu for something more modern (and soul-less).
That first trip in Lulu slowly turned into a deeper acquaintance as Mr. Legros regularly invited my kids, my wife, Debbie,
and my parents to accompany either him or his side-kick Serge on short trips around Josselin.
After fourteen years of popping in to check on Lulu‟s state of health, we were told by a former neighbour in Josselin that
Mr. Legros had sold his business to the younger Serge opting for a more leisurely pace of life in his well-earned retirement. Believing the dream of owning Lulu now over, we were surprised at the end of our annual summer holiday to hear from Serge that he‟d promised Mr. Legros that he‟d offer Lulu to me if he ever decided to sell her on.
With the dear wifey, Debbie, occasionally humming Tammy Wynette‟s song D.I.V.O.R.C.E. when she wasn‟t offering a list of „cons‟ to my argument based on the dubious „pros‟ of purchasing Lulu, an agreement was eventually reached whereby Lulu would become the Mitchell family‟s most noteworthy folly on the basis that all families need one.
Debbie offered up the alternative suggestion that the H be converted as a mobile burger bar in the event of a personal bankruptcy brought on by her likely restoration costs.
With 24 hours to complete the adoption papers, we scuttled around for a thousand Euros and contemplated the challenge of driving two cars and three (potentially very restless) children back to Durham at a sedate speed of seventy kilometres per hour. Fortunately, the journey to Durham from Brittany passed off uneventfully and Lulu, after a fortnight‟s playful use in Durham, embarked on a major fitness campaign and facelift. Citroen HY under restoration

Back from the health farm after nine months of work, Lulu is now a fetching shade of ultra-radiant yellow. A year prior to the Citroën‟s purchase, I‟d toyed with a mid-life crisis-like acquisition of a Honda VFR 800, but the missus being of a sensible, benevolent tyrannical disposition put the boot into my thoughts of becoming a weekend biker. Two years after vetoing my potential bike purchase Debbie rubber stamped a tentative association with my other dream, allowing Lulu to be given a thick coat of her preferred VFR colour.

All four kids think “dad‟s French tart” is „fab, and she should be considering the cost of her rehabilitation. Elsewhere, it often seems that the whole neighbourhood is clamouring for a lift in our cheeky folly.

As for the ordeal of restoring our H, the parts needed to date were easily sourced from within the Citroën Car Club fraternity; the restoration work carried out by locals Roger, Alan and Jim in Staindrop, County Durham was well executed (but costly); and, I haven‟t quite got to the point where we‟re contemplating a re-livery of Lulu with the intention of flogging burgers and chips at county fairgrounds and the races. Mind you, I owe Mr. Legros a courtesy ride in Lulu and a good lunch for keeping his side of the bargain.

Lulu now

Citroen H Van for sale

 

Back from the health farm and much missed, Lulu is now a fetching shade of ultra-radiant yellow. I couldn’t have the Honda VFR 800, but the dear wifey let me have (her) preferred colour. One folly now fully adopted into the domestic portfolio, I was hoping for another toy to stuff in my chest, but Debbie said she was due an indulgence and so she’s getting a dog (Border terrier, I believe!), while I will have to make do with my pig! Personally, in her new attire she’s more of a tart, but so what. All four kids think she’s fab and all want to be picked up from school by Lulu (with their mates in tow) at least once a week.

 

 


						

How to recognise a worn out drive shaft on a Citroen DS

We recently had a Citroen DS23 in the workshop because of a knock, knock, knock sound when turning corners.

This is the tell-tale sign that an outer universal joint is worn out and sure enough, upon inspection the left side joint was in a fairly poor state. It must have been making the noise for some time as they will start to do this with only a little bit of play and this one had more than a little bit, but was by no means the worst I have seen.

 

The good news is that new drive shafts are readily available for all Citroen DS and ID models made after 1966.

 

 


Nuts Please!

We got a phone call today from one of the country’s largest Rolls Royce and Bentley dealerships to see if we had any M9x1.25 nuts in stock. We informed them that, yes we do have these in stock – and in stainless steel no less.

They promptly ordered two to be sent out, and it turns out they were for the boss’s Penny Farthing bike!


Setting valve clearances (tappets) on Citroen DS and ID

These instructions are for the short stroke engine (post 1966) but the procedure is the same for the earlier models, only the settings differ.

(For the pre 1966 long stroke engine the valve clearances must be set with the engine cold and should be 0.2mm (.008”) on the inlet valves and 0.25mm (.010”) on the exhaust valves.)

Before you start you may wish to have a new rocker cover gasket and set of spark plug tube seals to hand as these can go hard with age and if so, will leak when refitted. It is bad practice and a bit of a bodge to use sealant on these gaskets.

Procedure:

Firstly it is recommended that the valve clearances (tappets) are set when the engine is warm, except on fuel injected engines when they should be set cold. Carburettor fed  engines can be set cold too, if necessary, and both settings are provided below.

With engine warm, set clearances to 0.2mm (.008”) on the inlet valves and 0.25mm (.010”) on the exhaust valves.

 With the engine cold, set clearances to 0.15mm (.006”) on the inlet valves and 0.2mm (.008”) on the exhaust valves.

  1. Turn the engine using the crank handle or by jacking up one front wheel and supporting it securely, putting the car in top gear and then turning the wheel forward to turn the engine. Always turn the engine in the normal direction of rotation (clockwise when viewed from the front). You can remove the spark plugs if you wish to make it easier to turn the engine. Turn the engine until number 1 exhaust valve is fully open (all the way down but not starting to come up again).
  2. You are now ready to adjust the valve clearances on inlet valve number 3 and exhaust valve number 4. To adjust the clearance, loosen the lock nut and slide your feeler gauge of the appropriate thickness between the top of the valve and the rocker arm. Adjust the screw until the feeler gauge blade is a firm sliding fit in the gap, then tighten the lock nut whilst holding the screw to stop it moving.
  3. Once the nut is tight, recheck the clearance.
  4.  Repeat procedure for the next valve. Once you have done both valves, turn the engine until number 3 exhaust valve is fully open and set the clearances on Inlet number 4 and exhaust number 2.
  5. Once you have done both those valves, turn engine until number 4 exhaust valve is fully open and set the clearances on Inlet number 2 and exhaust number 1.
  6. Once you have done both those valves, turn engine until number 2 exhaust valve is fully open and set the clearances on Inlet number 1 and exhaust number 3

The job is now done and you can refit the rocker cover and spark plugs and put the car back on its wheels if you jacked it up earlier.

setting valve clearances

Valve gear on a Citroen D model engine, 1966>


Citroen DS / ID wheel trim types

We often have people ringing up for a replacement wheel trim for their Citroen DS or ID, but usually also do not know what type they need. These pictures should help clarify what hubcap type is what and aid you in identifying which type you have.

Citroen DS wheel trims

Citroen DS / ID wheel trim types

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