It’s been a while since our last blog post.
We’ll try and give it a bit more time in 2016 … promise.
Recently a pre-1960 vehicle came in, which was not required to have an MOT. It wouldn’t have passed one, and we gave the owner a list of things that needed rectifying with the following notification:
“Please note that this vehicle is not roadworthy and should not be used on the road until remedial work is carried out.”
The wonders of modern spellchecking on our invoicing system took exception to the word “roadworthy” and thought it had a better alternative – see the picture above.
Needless to say it’s been added to the dictionary now.
Brand new road wheels for all Citroen D Models (DS and ID) made after September 1965 are now available, and have just arrived in stock today.
These are the wider 5.5J wheels with square centre hole, as originally fitted to all models after 1970. The rims are welded to the centres, not riveted like the originals and this means you can run tubeless tyres more reliably. They are painted in the right grey colour inside and out.
No more trying to make your rusted and pitted wheels look good again, sell them to the scrap man and buy some shiny new ones!
We will have a limited number of these available to buy at the D Rally (Little Horwood MK17 0PF Recreation ground behind Shoulder of Mutton Pub – June 12-14 2015) but to secure yours BUY NOW for delivery, or collection at the rally. We’ll also most likely have these available already fitted with new Retro Tyres so you can buy, fit and drive away on them.
Customer Service Bulletin from Citroёn Classics
In order to provide our valued customers with the standard of service that we think they deserve, we at Citroёn Classics have had to introduce some changes.
Technical Enquiry service
We will endeavour to respond to all email technical enquiries within 48 hours and will only be able to accept telephone Technical / Advice enquiries during the following times Monday to Friday; 08.00 – 09.00 and from 16.00 to 17.00.
We cannot guarantee to be able to answer all technical enquiries, but will use our hard earned expertise and experience with Classic Citroёns to do our best.
Unfortunately during busy times we will have to prioritise on customer cars in the workshop and the processing of parts orders above technical queries. This is In order to provide the best service possible within agreed time limits, so please bear with us.
Our preferred method of receiving parts orders is via our website where you the customer can earn loyalty points (as long as you remember to log in) and these can be redeemed against future orders on the website. This method enables our team to process your order as fast as possible and we will be updating our site with many more parts over the next few months, so please do keep browsing.
Telephone and email orders will still be accepted at any time, but please be aware that they can take longer to process. We process all orders in the order that they are received, however if you tell us that an order is urgent and requires fast shipping, we’ll do our best to get your order despatched as soon as possible.
General enquiries are still being accepted at any time by phone and email. A technical enquiry is one that our office staff cannot answer so need the workshop staff to provide the answers. We hope you will accept these changes which will enable us to provide a more efficient service to you our customers.
Darrin Brownhill & the Citroёn Classics Team.
Remember the Nankang tyres we were testing on our ID19? Well, they passed all our tests without any problems and we pronounced them a worthy budget tyre for D models. The only niggle we had with them was that the Michelin XVS style tread pattern was made inside out on the Nankangs.
These tyres have now been revised and the first batch of them has arrived today. They are no longer branded Nankang, they are now “Retro” brand and the tread pattern is around the correct way, as per Michelin XVS. Everything else remains the same, including the H speed rating. Most budget tyres of this size have a lower speed rating than your original tyre.
So now, whatever your budget, your D Model can wear tyres which look the part too.
I was recently asked how to tell the difference between a DS and an ID and I guess for most people this can be a bit confusing as both look the same unless you know what to look for.
In terms of the workings, only one feature distinguished between them the whole way through production, and that is the braking system. DS based models always have the more complex brake control system with a brake accumulator sphere (or 2 in the case of DS19’s until July 1960). The brake accumulator sphere is usually mounted on the top of the chassis just below the hydraulic fluid reservoir. If your car doesn’t have one it’s ID based and if it does, it’s a DS. This does not apply to Estate models which are ID’s but with the DS braking system to cope with the heavier loads they were expected to carry.
In visual terms, if one was walking down the street and saw a D Series car, how would you tell if it was an ID or a DS?
The cars didn’t generally have any badging to tell the model until the mid-60’s, however the boot chevrons were always gold on a DS and silver on an ID.
When badging began to identify the model it was on DS21 models only with individual characters (gold colour) spelling out DS21. If the car had gold chevrons and no other boot badge it was a DS19.
The first ID model with a badge to say so was the 1969 model ID20 which had individual silver coloured characters spelling out ID20 on the boot lid. This only lasted for 1 year though, because for the 1970 model year onwards the ID20 was badged D SUPER and the ID19 (which previously had no badge, just silver chevrons) was badged D SPECIAL.
So on the outside, for the general public to see, Gold chevrons mean DS and silver chevrons mean ID and this applies from start to finish. Even on D Super5 models which have DS21 on the chassis plate, but are actually ID’s, the chevrons are silver.
The badges on the quarter panel were only on DS models and said either DS or Pallas, depending on model and age.
This information pertains to mainstream French assembled cars. Some cars assembled in countries other than France may have had different badging specific to the local market.
- Remove old drive shaft. Remove and discard the rubber ring seal that sits in the groove in the hub where the drive shaft was. Clean inside of the front hub and lightly lubricate this area with grease.
- Slide the Outer CV-joint of the new assembly through the hub from the rear (turn the steering to facilitate this, then straighten once inserted) and place the inner tripod joint on the 6 studs at the gearbox side. (you may need to flatten the Ligarex buckle further to allow easier fitting through the hub.
Pre 1971 cars that where delivered with aluminum tripod joints need the studs to be replaced by shorter ones of the later cars.
- Put the 6 nuts that secure brake disc and tripod to the gearbox into place and tighten them to 10,5 -15,5 kg/m (76 – 112 ftlbs)
- Put mounting plate on the spline of the outer CV-joint and use loctite or another thread locker on the spline.
- Use the Wheel nuts to push mounting plate on to the hub surface and place the two phillips screws.
- Place the M12 bolt and washers also using thread locker and tighten it to 13,5 kg/m. (98 ftlbs)
We’ve had a few people asking us about the instrument panel connections on their post October 1969 Citroen DS or Citroen ID, so I’ve written this post to help you find the information easier.
A = Instrumentation illumination
B = + ignition feed for warning lamps
C = Fuel gauge (to tank unit)
D = – Earth
E = Tachometer (rev counter)
F = Temperature gauge (if fitted), to sensor on engine.
A = Main beam warning lamp (blue)
B = Dipped beam warning lamp (green)
C = Rear screen heater warning lamp
D = Hydraulic pressure warning lamp
E = Alternator (charging) warning lamp
F = Empty
A = Left indicator warning lamp
B = Engine oil pressure warning lamp
C = Brake pad wear warning lamp
D = Right indicator warning lamp
E = Hazard warning light (bottom middle red light)
F = Coolant temperature warning lamp
Items such as coolant temperature gauge and hazard lights are not fitted to all models, but the circuits already exist in the instrument panel so it is just a matter of connecting to the appropriate terminal should you wish to add these features to a car without.